Monday, July 9, 2007
it's your fault
Subject: Engg Vs MgmtA man in a hot air balloon realized he was lost.He reduced altitude and spotted a woman below.He descended a bit more and shouted, "Excuse me,can you help me?I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don'tknow where I am."The woman below replied,"You're in a hot air balloon hovering approximately 30 feet above theground. You're between 40 and 41 degrees north latitude and between 59 and60 degrees west longitude.""You must be an engineer," said the balloonist."I am," replied the woman,"How did you know?""Well," answered the balloonist,"everything you told me is, technically correct, but I've no idea what tomake of your information, and the fact is I'm still lost.Frankly, you've not been much help at all.If anything, you've delayed my trip."The woman below responded, "You must be in Management.""I am," replied the balloonist, "but how did you know?""Well," said the woman, "you don't know where you are or where you'regoing.You have risen to where you are due to a large quantity of hot air.You made a promise which you've no idea how to Keep, and you expect peoplebeneath you to solve your problems.The fact is you are in exactly the same position you were in before we met,but now, somehow, it's my fault."
20 years wow
Greetings Paul,
Speaking of on the road again.......you're heading West? Hopefully some place more reasonable to live than California. Personally, with the costs and taxes here in Michigan I sure wouldn't make this my first choice.
There sure were a lot of memories from T-land. Some good, some not. Some things that were going on in the field I wish I had been aware of--but, in retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the "if you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about Thermotron but the last 3 years seem to have made the problems with that management theory finally have a major effect on their business. It surprises me that it takes so long for results to be seen from both good and bad things. I would expect quicker results.
It seems to work for us to be aware of the competition but not sell against them or even address them too much in our approach, just concentrate on the equipment and what we will do for the customer. I have come to learn that there are some bad customers, very few actually, but it's best just to walk away and leave those to someone else.
Of course I think we could use more service people but I can't argue against the volume numbers I see coming in. The trend is up but not by leaps and bounds so we're still in a holding pattern as far as adding people. I certainly think you would be an asset. We don't have a wild crew (unless I'm missing something again) but then how wild can one guy be? As we get older we get wiser.
To thine own self be true. (and to heck with the rest)
I hope the move works out well and keep in touch.
Best regards,
Tom
-----Original Message-----From: paul saint [mailto:p1saint@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:52 PMTo: tpatterson@espec.comCc: p1saint@angelfire.comSubject: as always.. humble
thanks for letting me vent over these 20+ years..
But if i have ever hurt someone it was not intentional, but interesting hil sysbesma referred to the management style as "petty and vinidictive..Especallyafter o'kefe brought a law suit agains him for a million dallars as recall Hil telling me. When you leave with out his permission.
Tom banish's management style as dean tripp(i believe he is 70 years old this year or 71) said was"make it hard on him" he wanted to build a case against every one..
and Tom bannish was very succussful in that .. without a doubt
yes i never really fit in there.
gosh i guess i was a square.. not drinking all that beer at lunch and after work.
That is why tenbrink and dave durham called me squeky..i guess they were wild.. hank william's songs..
"on the road again.. i can't wait to get on the road again" tenbrink singing.. kind of like his brother who died young " the cournal " music man John even gave me a record that his brother produced.
yes john tenbrink was a wild man..
And mardy rich.. got a taste of his style of "leading people astray" this appears to be another holland style
Holland'ers, church goers
particular wird people.. where dishonesty was the policy..
But you tom patterson.. always seemed normal..
good job... that's why u are successful
look at these memories.. what a waste of time..
The biggest illusion was i thought it was important.. and nothing the work i did there mattered at all. it was just a monkey job..
see i did have a blank on my forhead..
>From: "Tom Patterson"
>To: "paul saint"
>Subject: Re: management and engineering
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500
>
>How true.
>Are you out west avoiding this REAL winter or enjoying it in Michigan with the rest of us?
>Things are slow but steady here. The industry seems in as much trouble as I've ever seen it but who can tell what the future brings.
>Hope things are well with you.
>
>Tom P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul saint
> To: tpatterson@espec.com ; swordoftruthmin@hotmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:57 PM
> Subject: Fwd: management and engineering
Speaking of on the road again.......you're heading West? Hopefully some place more reasonable to live than California. Personally, with the costs and taxes here in Michigan I sure wouldn't make this my first choice.
There sure were a lot of memories from T-land. Some good, some not. Some things that were going on in the field I wish I had been aware of--but, in retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the "if you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about Thermotron but the last 3 years seem to have made the problems with that management theory finally have a major effect on their business. It surprises me that it takes so long for results to be seen from both good and bad things. I would expect quicker results.
It seems to work for us to be aware of the competition but not sell against them or even address them too much in our approach, just concentrate on the equipment and what we will do for the customer. I have come to learn that there are some bad customers, very few actually, but it's best just to walk away and leave those to someone else.
Of course I think we could use more service people but I can't argue against the volume numbers I see coming in. The trend is up but not by leaps and bounds so we're still in a holding pattern as far as adding people. I certainly think you would be an asset. We don't have a wild crew (unless I'm missing something again) but then how wild can one guy be? As we get older we get wiser.
To thine own self be true. (and to heck with the rest)
I hope the move works out well and keep in touch.
Best regards,
Tom
-----Original Message-----From: paul saint [mailto:p1saint@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:52 PMTo: tpatterson@espec.comCc: p1saint@angelfire.comSubject: as always.. humble
thanks for letting me vent over these 20+ years..
But if i have ever hurt someone it was not intentional, but interesting hil sysbesma referred to the management style as "petty and vinidictive..Especallyafter o'kefe brought a law suit agains him for a million dallars as recall Hil telling me. When you leave with out his permission.
Tom banish's management style as dean tripp(i believe he is 70 years old this year or 71) said was"make it hard on him" he wanted to build a case against every one..
and Tom bannish was very succussful in that .. without a doubt
yes i never really fit in there.
gosh i guess i was a square.. not drinking all that beer at lunch and after work.
That is why tenbrink and dave durham called me squeky..i guess they were wild.. hank william's songs..
"on the road again.. i can't wait to get on the road again" tenbrink singing.. kind of like his brother who died young " the cournal " music man John even gave me a record that his brother produced.
yes john tenbrink was a wild man..
And mardy rich.. got a taste of his style of "leading people astray" this appears to be another holland style
Holland'ers, church goers
particular wird people.. where dishonesty was the policy..
But you tom patterson.. always seemed normal..
good job... that's why u are successful
look at these memories.. what a waste of time..
The biggest illusion was i thought it was important.. and nothing the work i did there mattered at all. it was just a monkey job..
see i did have a blank on my forhead..
>From: "Tom Patterson"
>To: "paul saint"
>Subject: Re: management and engineering
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500
>
>How true.
>Are you out west avoiding this REAL winter or enjoying it in Michigan with the rest of us?
>Things are slow but steady here. The industry seems in as much trouble as I've ever seen it but who can tell what the future brings.
>Hope things are well with you.
>
>Tom P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul saint
> To: tpatterson@espec.com ; swordoftruthmin@hotmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:57 PM
> Subject: Fwd: management and engineering
john tenbrink
From :
Tom Patterson
Sent :
Monday, January 26, 2004 3:25 PM
To :
"'paul saint'"
Subject :
RE: as always.. humble
Inbox
Greetings Paul,
Speaking of on the road again.......you're heading West? Hopefully some place more reasonable to live than California. Personally, with the costs and taxes here in Michigan I sure wouldn't make this my first choice.
There sure were a lot of memories from T-land. Some good, some not. Some things that were going on in the field I wish I had been aware of--but, in retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the "if you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about Thermotron but the last 3 years seem to have made the problems with that management theory finally have a major effect on their business. It surprises me that it takes so long for results to be seen from both good and bad things. I would expect quicker results.
It seems to work for us to be aware of the competition but not sell against them or even address them too much in our approach, just concentrate on the equipment and what we will do for the customer. I have come to learn that there are some bad customers, very few actually, but it's best just to walk away and leave those to someone else.
Of course I think we could use more service people but I can't argue against the volume numbers I see coming in. The trend is up but not by leaps and bounds so we're still in a holding pattern as far as adding people. I certainly think you would be an asset. We don't have a wild crew (unless I'm missing something again) but then how wild can one guy be? As we get older we get wiser.
To thine own self be true. (and to heck with the rest)
I hope the move works out well and keep in touch.
Best regards,
Tom
-----Original Message-----From: paul saint [mailto:p1saint@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:52 PMTo: tpatterson@espec.comCc: p1saint@angelfire.comSubject: as always.. humble
thanks for letting me vent over these 20+ years..
But if i have ever hurt someone it was not intentional, but interesting hil sysbesma referred to the management style as "petty and vinidictive..Especallyafter o'kefe brought a law suit agains him for a million dallars as recall Hil telling me. When you leave with out his permission.
Tom banish's management style as dean tripp(i believe he is 70 years old this year or 71) said was"make it hard on him" he wanted to build a case against every one..
and Tom bannish was very succussful in that .. without a doubt
yes i never really fit in there.
gosh i guess i was a square.. not drinking all that beer at lunch and after work.
That is why tenbrink and dave durham called me squeky..i guess they were wild.. hank william's songs..
"on the road again.. i can't wait to get on the road again" tenbrink singing.. kind of like his brother who died young " the cournal " music man John even gave me a record that his brother produced.
yes john tenbrink was a wild man..
And mardy rich.. got a taste of his style of "leading people astray" this appears to be another holland style
Holland'ers, church goers
particular wird people.. where dishonesty was the policy..
But you tom patterson.. always seemed normal..
good job... that's why u are successful
look at these memories.. what a waste of time..
The biggest illusion was i thought it was important.. and nothing the work i did there mattered at all. it was just a monkey job..
see i did have a blank on my forhead..
>From: "Tom Patterson"
>To: "paul saint"
>Subject: Re: management and engineering
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500
>
>How true.
>Are you out west avoiding this REAL winter or enjoying it in Michigan with the rest of us?
>Things are slow but steady here. The industry seems in as much trouble as I've ever seen it but who can tell what the future brings.
>Hope things are well with you.
>
>Tom P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul saint
> To: tpatterson@espec.com ; swordoftruthmin@hotmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:57 PM
> Subject: Fwd: management and engineering
Tom Patterson
Sent :
Monday, January 26, 2004 3:25 PM
To :
"'paul saint'"
Subject :
RE: as always.. humble
Inbox
Greetings Paul,
Speaking of on the road again.......you're heading West? Hopefully some place more reasonable to live than California. Personally, with the costs and taxes here in Michigan I sure wouldn't make this my first choice.
There sure were a lot of memories from T-land. Some good, some not. Some things that were going on in the field I wish I had been aware of--but, in retrospect at least it was something to learn from. I try to follow the "if you can't say something good..." philosophy so I won't say too much about Thermotron but the last 3 years seem to have made the problems with that management theory finally have a major effect on their business. It surprises me that it takes so long for results to be seen from both good and bad things. I would expect quicker results.
It seems to work for us to be aware of the competition but not sell against them or even address them too much in our approach, just concentrate on the equipment and what we will do for the customer. I have come to learn that there are some bad customers, very few actually, but it's best just to walk away and leave those to someone else.
Of course I think we could use more service people but I can't argue against the volume numbers I see coming in. The trend is up but not by leaps and bounds so we're still in a holding pattern as far as adding people. I certainly think you would be an asset. We don't have a wild crew (unless I'm missing something again) but then how wild can one guy be? As we get older we get wiser.
To thine own self be true. (and to heck with the rest)
I hope the move works out well and keep in touch.
Best regards,
Tom
-----Original Message-----From: paul saint [mailto:p1saint@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 6:52 PMTo: tpatterson@espec.comCc: p1saint@angelfire.comSubject: as always.. humble
thanks for letting me vent over these 20+ years..
But if i have ever hurt someone it was not intentional, but interesting hil sysbesma referred to the management style as "petty and vinidictive..Especallyafter o'kefe brought a law suit agains him for a million dallars as recall Hil telling me. When you leave with out his permission.
Tom banish's management style as dean tripp(i believe he is 70 years old this year or 71) said was"make it hard on him" he wanted to build a case against every one..
and Tom bannish was very succussful in that .. without a doubt
yes i never really fit in there.
gosh i guess i was a square.. not drinking all that beer at lunch and after work.
That is why tenbrink and dave durham called me squeky..i guess they were wild.. hank william's songs..
"on the road again.. i can't wait to get on the road again" tenbrink singing.. kind of like his brother who died young " the cournal " music man John even gave me a record that his brother produced.
yes john tenbrink was a wild man..
And mardy rich.. got a taste of his style of "leading people astray" this appears to be another holland style
Holland'ers, church goers
particular wird people.. where dishonesty was the policy..
But you tom patterson.. always seemed normal..
good job... that's why u are successful
look at these memories.. what a waste of time..
The biggest illusion was i thought it was important.. and nothing the work i did there mattered at all. it was just a monkey job..
see i did have a blank on my forhead..
>From: "Tom Patterson"
>To: "paul saint"
>Subject: Re: management and engineering
>Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:55:45 -0500
>
>How true.
>Are you out west avoiding this REAL winter or enjoying it in Michigan with the rest of us?
>Things are slow but steady here. The industry seems in as much trouble as I've ever seen it but who can tell what the future brings.
>Hope things are well with you.
>
>Tom P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: paul saint
> To: tpatterson@espec.com ; swordoftruthmin@hotmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 4:57 PM
> Subject: Fwd: management and engineering
thermotron add
Hi Paul, I had to look several times to verify it was the same company we'd worked for in the past. That Unique Bonus System sounds like quite a carrot, doesn't it? Very interesting, but I don't think it will take too long for the newly hired to see the true colors. Hil
"paul saint"
06/01/2004 10:10 AM
To
hil.sybesma@lunaire.spx.com
cc
Subject
looks pretty good ?t-land
Mission Mission TeamMEP TeamMEP Advisors Advisors Testimonials Testimonials Partners Partners Facts Facts Press Releases Press Releases Trade Shows Trade Shows Awards / Acknowledgements Awards / Acknowledgements Terms / Conditions Terms / Conditions Career Center Career Center Tools Tools Relocation Relocation Industry Calendars Industry Calendars Industry Directory Industry Directory Start Here Start Here Search Jobs Search Jobs Testimonials Testimonials Privacy Statement Privacy Statement Start Here Start Here Why Join? Why Join? Talent Summary Talent Summary Products / Rates Products / Rates Corporate Logo Links Corporate Logo Links Registration Registration Employer Testimonials Employer Testimonials Job Seeker Testimonials Job Seeker Testimonials Most Asked Questions Most Asked Questions Training & Education Training & Education Licensing & Certification Licensing & Certification Using the Internet in Your Job Search Using the Internet in Your Job Search Interview Helper Interview Helper Interview Tips Interview Tips hello hil... i was in holland and talking to stan van lear.. and some other guy at "turners " company..any way i came across this add.. and was wondering is this what it was about when u and i worked there..??? what's the con job on this one?.. as i have always had to ask some one else what was said.. as u said .. i did't believe any of tom banishes lies.. the the thief i worked with .. greg johenson his pet. Job Seekers: View Job
Date: 5/25/2004
Company: Thermotron Industries (a Venturedyne Ltd. Company)291 Kollen Park DrHolland, MI 49423
Company Profile: View Company Profile Information
Category: Technician-Refrigeration
Position: Field Service Technician:Refrigeration
Above Company also posted this job under: Technician-Chillers Technician-Refrigeration Technician-Service, HVAC
Position Location: California
City: Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Oxnard, Simi Valley area
Specialty Field: CommercialIndustrialInstitutionalResidential
Minimum Training/Education Required: High School: Technical Schooling or Degree
Minimum Years Experience: 3-5 years
Salary Range: Negotiable based on experience
Specific job responsibilities / qualifications required including certifications:
Thermotron Industries is looking for Refrigeration Professionals.DO YOU WANT TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE BUILDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS?Is this your dream? Maybe you have thought of doing this, yet you worry about all the money needed to finance carrying inventory, managing accounts receivable, buying and maintaining service vans, having to hire and pay employees, overhead expenses, customers who won't pay their bills and the list goes on.....Thermotron has developed a unique opportunity for our Technicians to have the freedom to and satisfaction of building a profitable business, without the hassles, headaches and money worries. As a direct employee, our technicians get to be self-directed and develop our service business while sharing in the success through our UNIQUE BONUS PROGRAM.If you qualify for this unique opportunity,WE WILL PROVIDE AND INVEST IN YOU:* A Service Van with gas, insurance and maintenance expenses covered.* All major refrigeration repair equipment and electronic test and calibration instruments.* Business and financial training, information and reports.* Management of customer credit issues, collections and financial issues.* Inventory / Repair parts.* Necessary business, training and travel expenses.* Technical training, both on the job and classroom.* Technical support via phone to help with "challenging" equipment.* A list of existing and potential customers within your territory.* Administrative support for typing, quoting, etc.* Incentive program for developing new customers.* A competitive base pay with a combination of bonus for increased revenue and profit.* Comprehensive company benefits package.YOU PROVIDE AND INVEST IN THERMOTRON:* YOUR TIME: Can you schedule and manage your time effectively and really build a business? Are you flexible in scheduling to meet your customer needs?* YOUR TALENT: Do you have what it takes to learn how to successfully service Thermotron's high end cascade systems and other equipment? *YOUR DRIVE: Do you have the stamina and focus necessary to build a profitable business? Can you develop a customer base? Identify and Satisfy customer needs? Can you build on-going customer loyalty?* With the knowledge that you gain and your continued success, you will then pass on your expertise and contribute starting customers to the next Refrigeration Professional to learn and grow with Thermotron.IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND UP TO THE CHALLENGE, PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY.You do not need to have an existing resume, just call and talk to us about this unique opportunity.Thermotron Industries616-392-1491 Ext. 797FAX: 616-393-4796Email: hr@thermotron.comThermotron Industries is an "Equal Opportunity Employer"
"paul saint"
06/01/2004 10:10 AM
To
hil.sybesma@lunaire.spx.com
cc
Subject
looks pretty good ?t-land
Mission Mission TeamMEP TeamMEP Advisors Advisors Testimonials Testimonials Partners Partners Facts Facts Press Releases Press Releases Trade Shows Trade Shows Awards / Acknowledgements Awards / Acknowledgements Terms / Conditions Terms / Conditions Career Center Career Center Tools Tools Relocation Relocation Industry Calendars Industry Calendars Industry Directory Industry Directory Start Here Start Here Search Jobs Search Jobs Testimonials Testimonials Privacy Statement Privacy Statement Start Here Start Here Why Join? Why Join? Talent Summary Talent Summary Products / Rates Products / Rates Corporate Logo Links Corporate Logo Links Registration Registration Employer Testimonials Employer Testimonials Job Seeker Testimonials Job Seeker Testimonials Most Asked Questions Most Asked Questions Training & Education Training & Education Licensing & Certification Licensing & Certification Using the Internet in Your Job Search Using the Internet in Your Job Search Interview Helper Interview Helper Interview Tips Interview Tips hello hil... i was in holland and talking to stan van lear.. and some other guy at "turners " company..any way i came across this add.. and was wondering is this what it was about when u and i worked there..??? what's the con job on this one?.. as i have always had to ask some one else what was said.. as u said .. i did't believe any of tom banishes lies.. the the thief i worked with .. greg johenson his pet. Job Seekers: View Job
Date: 5/25/2004
Company: Thermotron Industries (a Venturedyne Ltd. Company)291 Kollen Park DrHolland, MI 49423
Company Profile: View Company Profile Information
Category: Technician-Refrigeration
Position: Field Service Technician:Refrigeration
Above Company also posted this job under: Technician-Chillers Technician-Refrigeration Technician-Service, HVAC
Position Location: California
City: Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Oxnard, Simi Valley area
Specialty Field: CommercialIndustrialInstitutionalResidential
Minimum Training/Education Required: High School: Technical Schooling or Degree
Minimum Years Experience: 3-5 years
Salary Range: Negotiable based on experience
Specific job responsibilities / qualifications required including certifications:
Thermotron Industries is looking for Refrigeration Professionals.DO YOU WANT TO FEEL LIKE YOU ARE BUILDING YOUR OWN BUSINESS?Is this your dream? Maybe you have thought of doing this, yet you worry about all the money needed to finance carrying inventory, managing accounts receivable, buying and maintaining service vans, having to hire and pay employees, overhead expenses, customers who won't pay their bills and the list goes on.....Thermotron has developed a unique opportunity for our Technicians to have the freedom to and satisfaction of building a profitable business, without the hassles, headaches and money worries. As a direct employee, our technicians get to be self-directed and develop our service business while sharing in the success through our UNIQUE BONUS PROGRAM.If you qualify for this unique opportunity,WE WILL PROVIDE AND INVEST IN YOU:* A Service Van with gas, insurance and maintenance expenses covered.* All major refrigeration repair equipment and electronic test and calibration instruments.* Business and financial training, information and reports.* Management of customer credit issues, collections and financial issues.* Inventory / Repair parts.* Necessary business, training and travel expenses.* Technical training, both on the job and classroom.* Technical support via phone to help with "challenging" equipment.* A list of existing and potential customers within your territory.* Administrative support for typing, quoting, etc.* Incentive program for developing new customers.* A competitive base pay with a combination of bonus for increased revenue and profit.* Comprehensive company benefits package.YOU PROVIDE AND INVEST IN THERMOTRON:* YOUR TIME: Can you schedule and manage your time effectively and really build a business? Are you flexible in scheduling to meet your customer needs?* YOUR TALENT: Do you have what it takes to learn how to successfully service Thermotron's high end cascade systems and other equipment? *YOUR DRIVE: Do you have the stamina and focus necessary to build a profitable business? Can you develop a customer base? Identify and Satisfy customer needs? Can you build on-going customer loyalty?* With the knowledge that you gain and your continued success, you will then pass on your expertise and contribute starting customers to the next Refrigeration Professional to learn and grow with Thermotron.IF YOU ARE INTERESTED AND UP TO THE CHALLENGE, PLEASE CONTACT US IMMEDIATELY.You do not need to have an existing resume, just call and talk to us about this unique opportunity.Thermotron Industries616-392-1491 Ext. 797FAX: 616-393-4796Email: hr@thermotron.comThermotron Industries is an "Equal Opportunity Employer"
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intresting website. How are you? still teaching in AZ? I still have the goldwing in the garage. I did not license it or try and sell it. Time just got away from me... keep in touch
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Evils of the TorahEnd TimesDo Not Ignore O.T.Biblical IntoleranceA Day Is A DayAbsurd Torah ScienceChristians Are HypocritesCommon Lies Christians TellJesus is a False MessiahHitler was a ChristianContradictions of the GospelSexism in the TorahGod's Not Pro-LifeTen CommandmentsWhy I am Not a ChristianWhat Would Jesus Do?Is the Bible Fit for Worship
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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intresting website. How are you? still teaching in AZ? I still have the goldwing in the garage. I did not license it or try and sell it. Time just got away from me... keep in touch
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Contents:
HomeRitual Human SacrificeRape in the BibleMurder in the BibleSlavery in the BibleEvil Bible QuotesRetard of the MonthJesus LiedGod is ImpossibleTop Ten ListBiblical ContradictionsSynthetic LifeDefinition of AtheismAbout EvilBible.com*Buy Me a Beer!*Discussion Forum
Essays From The Church of Theists Suck:
Evils of the TorahEnd TimesDo Not Ignore O.T.Biblical IntoleranceA Day Is A DayAbsurd Torah ScienceChristians Are HypocritesCommon Lies Christians TellJesus is a False MessiahHitler was a ChristianContradictions of the GospelSexism in the TorahGod's Not Pro-LifeTen CommandmentsWhy I am Not a ChristianWhat Would Jesus Do?Is the Bible Fit for Worship
Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian
10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours. 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt. 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God. 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees! 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky. 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God. 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
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not that it matters, he will lie to u as good as i can!!
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I will be out of the office starting 08/21/2006 and will not return until
09/05/2006.
I will be out of the office from 8/19 through 9/4. In my absence, DURING
THE WEEK of 8/21/06, please contact Eric Burke <eric.burke@tps.spx.com>.
DURING THE WEEK of 8/28/06, please contact John Eldred at
<john.eldred@tps.spx.com>. Thank you.
they were right
Boy...was i wrong! & they were right ! Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:17 PM
Because i am teaching high school now it has re-opened my eyes..
opps.. wow.. i was wrong...!!
i guess the "business profile" for a successful environmental company has a
proven history..
(not like the e.com companies which failed)
ron wiley told me last year that his dad Bob wiley started espec..
and John tenbrink did say that "old Bob was as smart as a fox"
and it didn't matter if the equipment worked just get the customer to sign
off..
and tom bannash .. did brag .. that every one would believe his lies..
and he was highly successful.. lets make him a "president" i am sure he would
do just fine.
and Hil Sybesma told me he wasn't as big a thief as some guy as named
newville.. and that .. stealing wasn't wrong it was "working the system.
and the california thief's i worked with said.. it dosen't matter what you do
to anyone so long as you get away with it and blame it on somebody else
and the wonder-full fred plont... "come-on paul.. isn't every one a thief and
a lier?
and it's embarresing .. and here i thought i had a brain ?? oh well..
enjoy the following joke
At a Holland Dutch and Christian Reformed gathering, The superior Preacher
stacked a pile of apples on one.
Subject: Philosophy
Here's a lesson for all!
There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she
happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure. Since it had been hours since
her last meal and she was feeling hunger pangs, she flew down to the
irresistible delicacy and began to munch out.
She ate... and ate... and then . she ate some more!!!
Finally, she decided she'd had plenty. She washed her face with her tiny
front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas...she
had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground. She looked
around wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation when she spotted
a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall. She'd found
a solution!! She realized if she could just become airborne she'd be able to
fly again. So, she painstakingly, climbed to the top of the handle. Once
there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leaped
confidently into the air.
She dropped like a rock and splattered all over the floor...
Dead Fly....
The moral of this sad story?
"Never fly off the handle when you know you're full of shit.
Because i am teaching high school now it has re-opened my eyes..
opps.. wow.. i was wrong...!!
i guess the "business profile" for a successful environmental company has a
proven history..
(not like the e.com companies which failed)
ron wiley told me last year that his dad Bob wiley started espec..
and John tenbrink did say that "old Bob was as smart as a fox"
and it didn't matter if the equipment worked just get the customer to sign
off..
and tom bannash .. did brag .. that every one would believe his lies..
and he was highly successful.. lets make him a "president" i am sure he would
do just fine.
and Hil Sybesma told me he wasn't as big a thief as some guy as named
newville.. and that .. stealing wasn't wrong it was "working the system.
and the california thief's i worked with said.. it dosen't matter what you do
to anyone so long as you get away with it and blame it on somebody else
and the wonder-full fred plont... "come-on paul.. isn't every one a thief and
a lier?
and it's embarresing .. and here i thought i had a brain ?? oh well..
enjoy the following joke
At a Holland Dutch and Christian Reformed gathering, The superior Preacher
stacked a pile of apples on one.
Subject: Philosophy
Here's a lesson for all!
There once was a happy little fly buzzing around a barn one day, when she
happened upon a large pile of fresh cow manure. Since it had been hours since
her last meal and she was feeling hunger pangs, she flew down to the
irresistible delicacy and began to munch out.
She ate... and ate... and then . she ate some more!!!
Finally, she decided she'd had plenty. She washed her face with her tiny
front legs, belched a few times, then attempted to fly away. But alas...she
had pigged out far too much and could not get off the ground. She looked
around wondering what to do about this unpleasant situation when she spotted
a pitchfork leaning upright against the barn wall. She'd found
a solution!! She realized if she could just become airborne she'd be able to
fly again. So, she painstakingly, climbed to the top of the handle. Once
there, she took a deep breath, spread her tiny fly wings, and leaped
confidently into the air.
She dropped like a rock and splattered all over the floor...
Dead Fly....
The moral of this sad story?
"Never fly off the handle when you know you're full of shit.
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